OK look guys I know I have not been around this week a relapse of strep throat had me bedridden but there is going to be a distinct thread for strict review of product and a separate thread for the chatter. This a must to improve the community a thread with in depth reviews and the chatter has to be seperate, it's for the best, the reviews are so that products can be clearly posted for ease of access and the chatter is well chatter. You cant have both in one thread. You get pages of nothing but back and forth and this to someone seeking a product review is very frustrating. Does everyone understand this simple concept? rtshredder's social is where the chatter should be and reviews is where the vendors are reviewed. I'm open to talking about a better system but it all in one thread is not the best solution for the community. I suggest links in posts to the chatter about the products and strict reviews of vendors and products in this thread. X) nomad